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Was Sacred Soma Bubble Hash?
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kullukid
, Jun 27 2006 07:32 PM
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#1
Posted 27 June 2006 - 07:32 PM
I was going to post this under recipes but I suppose it belongs here really.
Thought some of you might find this article interesting http://www.huxley.net/soma/index.html Some Russians archeologists have uncovered a number of sites of monumental architecture dating from the second millennium BC in Turkmenistan where there is evidence that Soma may have been produced from cannabis, opium & ephedra.
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#2
Posted 27 June 2006 - 10:00 PM
Some believe it was the sacred mushroom recycled from person to person through urine..
#3
Posted 28 June 2006 - 11:02 AM
Have done a bit of research on this as Soma is my wife's name
Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma
Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma
#4
Posted 28 June 2006 - 05:44 PM
What I can't understand is it took so long to believe Soma might be a cannabic derivitive??? That would seem obvious given India's/West Asia's cultural relationship with the plant
#5
Posted 28 June 2006 - 06:17 PM
cyberhippie, on Jun 28 2006, 01:14 PM, said:
What I can't understand is it took so long to believe Soma might be a cannabic derivitive??? That would seem obvious given India's/West Asia's cultural relationship with the plant 
#6
Posted 28 June 2006 - 07:15 PM
Sounds a bit like a "green dragon" and alcholic/cannabis drink would fit the bill KK
#7
Posted 28 June 2006 - 07:25 PM
As per the mythology when the ocean was churned first came the "Poison" which only Lord Shiva could handle so He was called in... the poison turned his throat blue hence the name Neelkantha.... later on came the nectar Amrit which obviously Gods gobbled ditching the Demons. It is said that the drops of Amrit which fell on the ground Marijuana plant came up !!!!!!!
#8
Posted 28 June 2006 - 07:40 PM
Which is why Shiva appears with blue skin right!! After saving the world by drinking the poisonous seas!! I've seen pictures of Shiva processing bhang (they say) in the old prime minister's house in Bundi, the now owners were very excited about showing me this mural on their living room wall! It's now the lake view Hotel and a fine place to stay, if you like a little character for your 200 rupees!
#9
Posted 28 June 2006 - 07:57 PM
Neel = Blue, Kantha = Neck so Blue neck = Neelkantha...... simple???
#10
Posted 29 June 2006 - 09:15 PM
One of the interesting theories.........
"Tradition in India maintains that the gods sent man the Hemp plant so that he might attain delight, courage, and have heightened sexual desires. When nectar or Amrita dropped down from heaven, Cannabis sprouted from it. Another story tells how, when the gods, helped by demons, churned the milk ocean to obtain Amrita, one of the resulting nectars was Cannabis. It was consecrated to Shiva and was [the godess] Indra’s favourite drink. After the churning of the ocean, demons attempted to gain control of Amrita, but the gods were able to prevent this seizure, giving Cannabis the name Vijaya (“victory”) to commemorate their success. Ever since, this plant of the gods has been held in India to bestow supernatural powers on its users.
The partnership of Cannabis and man has existed now probably for ten thousand years – since the discovery of agriculture in the Old World. One of our oldest cultivars, Cannabis has been a five- purpose plant: as a source of hempen fibres; for its oil; for its akenes or “seeds,” consumed by man for food; for its narcotic properties; and therapeutically to treat a wide spectrum of ills in folk medicine and in modern pharmacopoeias.
Mainly because of its various uses, Cannabis has been taken to many regions around the world. Unusual things happen to plants after long association with man and agriculture. They are grown in new and strange environments and often have opportunities to hybridize that are not offered in their native habitats. They escape from cultivation and frequently become aggressive weeds. They may be changed through human selection for characteristics associated with a specific use. Many cultivated plants are so changed from their ancestral typed that it is not possible to unravel their evolutionary history. Such is not the case, however, with Cannabis. Yet, despite its long history as a major crop plant, Cannabis is still characterised more by what is not known about its biology than what is known."
I however prefer to think of Soma as...
"Various cultures throughout the ages have used psychedelic fungi for shamanistic and other purposes. Mesoamerican mushroom stones of the pre-classic Mayans representing deified mushrooms date back to approximately 500 BC, while rock paintings in the Sahara of mushroom effigies date back to 7000 BC. Some scholars believe that Soma, the drink mentioned in Vedic literature, was derived from psychedelic mushrooms (R. Gordon Wasson suggests that this was amanita muscaria), while Albert Hofmann and Carl Ruck contend that the Eleusinian Mysteries made use of the psychedelic fungus ergot (not strictly a mushroom) in the Kykeon. Amanita muscaria is known to have been used in Siberian shamanism.
Psilocybin mushrooms were a revered tradition in native Central American cultures at the time of the European invasion and have been in continuous use up to the present. Named teonanácatl ("flesh of the gods") in Nahuatl, they may have been employed for healing, divination and for intercession with spirits. Since the beginning of the Latin American colonial era, their use has been hidden due to persecution by the Christian church, which branded all native religious practices and especially those employing entheogenic sacraments as "pagan."
That Nordic Vikings may have used fly-agaric to produce their berserker rages was first suggested by the Swedish professor Samual Ödman in 1784. Ödman based his theory on reports about the use of fly-agaric among Siberian shamans. The notion has become widespread since the 19th century, but no contemporary sources mention this use or anything similar in their description of berserkers. Today, it is generally considered an urban legend or at best speculation that cannot be proven.
According to the BBC, the first documented use of psychedelic mushrooms was in the Medical and Physical Journal: in 1799, a man who had been picking mushrooms for breakfast in London's Green Park included them in his harvest, accidentally sending his entire family on a trip. The doctor who treated them later described how the youngest child "was attacked with fits of immoderate laughter, nor could the threats of his father or mother refrain him".
Right time of the year to head to Kodai........
"Tradition in India maintains that the gods sent man the Hemp plant so that he might attain delight, courage, and have heightened sexual desires. When nectar or Amrita dropped down from heaven, Cannabis sprouted from it. Another story tells how, when the gods, helped by demons, churned the milk ocean to obtain Amrita, one of the resulting nectars was Cannabis. It was consecrated to Shiva and was [the godess] Indra’s favourite drink. After the churning of the ocean, demons attempted to gain control of Amrita, but the gods were able to prevent this seizure, giving Cannabis the name Vijaya (“victory”) to commemorate their success. Ever since, this plant of the gods has been held in India to bestow supernatural powers on its users.
The partnership of Cannabis and man has existed now probably for ten thousand years – since the discovery of agriculture in the Old World. One of our oldest cultivars, Cannabis has been a five- purpose plant: as a source of hempen fibres; for its oil; for its akenes or “seeds,” consumed by man for food; for its narcotic properties; and therapeutically to treat a wide spectrum of ills in folk medicine and in modern pharmacopoeias.
Mainly because of its various uses, Cannabis has been taken to many regions around the world. Unusual things happen to plants after long association with man and agriculture. They are grown in new and strange environments and often have opportunities to hybridize that are not offered in their native habitats. They escape from cultivation and frequently become aggressive weeds. They may be changed through human selection for characteristics associated with a specific use. Many cultivated plants are so changed from their ancestral typed that it is not possible to unravel their evolutionary history. Such is not the case, however, with Cannabis. Yet, despite its long history as a major crop plant, Cannabis is still characterised more by what is not known about its biology than what is known."
I however prefer to think of Soma as...
"Various cultures throughout the ages have used psychedelic fungi for shamanistic and other purposes. Mesoamerican mushroom stones of the pre-classic Mayans representing deified mushrooms date back to approximately 500 BC, while rock paintings in the Sahara of mushroom effigies date back to 7000 BC. Some scholars believe that Soma, the drink mentioned in Vedic literature, was derived from psychedelic mushrooms (R. Gordon Wasson suggests that this was amanita muscaria), while Albert Hofmann and Carl Ruck contend that the Eleusinian Mysteries made use of the psychedelic fungus ergot (not strictly a mushroom) in the Kykeon. Amanita muscaria is known to have been used in Siberian shamanism.
Psilocybin mushrooms were a revered tradition in native Central American cultures at the time of the European invasion and have been in continuous use up to the present. Named teonanácatl ("flesh of the gods") in Nahuatl, they may have been employed for healing, divination and for intercession with spirits. Since the beginning of the Latin American colonial era, their use has been hidden due to persecution by the Christian church, which branded all native religious practices and especially those employing entheogenic sacraments as "pagan."
That Nordic Vikings may have used fly-agaric to produce their berserker rages was first suggested by the Swedish professor Samual Ödman in 1784. Ödman based his theory on reports about the use of fly-agaric among Siberian shamans. The notion has become widespread since the 19th century, but no contemporary sources mention this use or anything similar in their description of berserkers. Today, it is generally considered an urban legend or at best speculation that cannot be proven.
According to the BBC, the first documented use of psychedelic mushrooms was in the Medical and Physical Journal: in 1799, a man who had been picking mushrooms for breakfast in London's Green Park included them in his harvest, accidentally sending his entire family on a trip. The doctor who treated them later described how the youngest child "was attacked with fits of immoderate laughter, nor could the threats of his father or mother refrain him".
Right time of the year to head to Kodai........
Edited by Satty, 29 June 2006 - 09:16 PM.
#11
Posted 26 October 2007 - 06:41 PM
kullukid, on Jun 27 2006, 03:02 PM, said:
kk
Micheal Wood visited this Temple remains, in his 1st episode of his recent t.v series on the BBC.
Here's some interesting sites on the SOMA subject;
http://www.thelostword.dk/index3.htm
http://www.botany.ha...135/Lect20a.htm
http://www.erowid.or...hanistan1.shtml
http://www.lycaeum.o...somawasson.html
http://www.scribd.co...Sacred-Mushroom
http://www.greylodge.../entheogens.htm
#12
Posted 03 January 2008 - 06:11 AM
KK,
There is an indirect line to identifying the nature of the Soma plant, or one of the Soma plants. That comes from the Holy Zarathustra, bitterly inveighing against the priesthood who drank their own urine, using the term "muthrem". Two points:
1. The Amanita muscarea chemicals are heightened by passage through the kidneys and drinking their own urine was a common ancient way to concentrate the effects of the Amanita fungus. In this manner, we may gauge that at least some groups were using the fungus, not cannabis, as this effect is not preserved/seen with the latter, nor with opium or ephedra. Opium and Ephedrine are alkaloids, i.e. Nitrogen containing phenylpropanoids, and oxidized by liver cytochrome P450 enzymes quite well. Anandamide and tetrahydrocannabinol: we'll leave those for later, but they too are unlike the Amanita toxin.
2. This is a more diffuse point, but Zarathustra represents a break with the Indo-Iranian bhai-bhai fraternity: we get demonization of each other's sacred terms and symbols from around this period, the very language of the Vedic, Epic etc. Sanskrit changes:
daeva is a "bad" element in Avestan, as we all know
In RgVeda: Asura na AgAd: Behold, here comes Asura: this is one of the most solemn hymns. ASURA being the OVERLORD, but later becoming trivialized into "titan" in Classical Skt. In Old Persian/Av., the Overlord aspect of Asura is maintained in AHURA, same word.
many others : AV. dzhairi: yellow--> zard, Farsi, hari yellow, radiant, Skt. Hari, Skt.
So from Zarathustra's antagonism to all things Indo, it may be assumed that mushroom eating and the urine-centered shamanism and spirit-walking was also not uncommon.
One problem: the matter of amsu or fibres in the soma plant: elaborate measures to crush the soma, very important for the RV esoteric symbolology of Vak
gojA
rtjA
adrijA = born of the crushing stone
pavitra: the woollen strainer to strain the juice becomes synonymous with "purification" hence purity
pavamAna soma ---> pAvana, pAvaka : that which purifies
those same amsu, fibres, again become very important symbols, of rays. Anyway, that is all for another time, these are rahovidya, uhavidya.
There is an indirect line to identifying the nature of the Soma plant, or one of the Soma plants. That comes from the Holy Zarathustra, bitterly inveighing against the priesthood who drank their own urine, using the term "muthrem". Two points:
1. The Amanita muscarea chemicals are heightened by passage through the kidneys and drinking their own urine was a common ancient way to concentrate the effects of the Amanita fungus. In this manner, we may gauge that at least some groups were using the fungus, not cannabis, as this effect is not preserved/seen with the latter, nor with opium or ephedra. Opium and Ephedrine are alkaloids, i.e. Nitrogen containing phenylpropanoids, and oxidized by liver cytochrome P450 enzymes quite well. Anandamide and tetrahydrocannabinol: we'll leave those for later, but they too are unlike the Amanita toxin.
2. This is a more diffuse point, but Zarathustra represents a break with the Indo-Iranian bhai-bhai fraternity: we get demonization of each other's sacred terms and symbols from around this period, the very language of the Vedic, Epic etc. Sanskrit changes:
daeva is a "bad" element in Avestan, as we all know
In RgVeda: Asura na AgAd: Behold, here comes Asura: this is one of the most solemn hymns. ASURA being the OVERLORD, but later becoming trivialized into "titan" in Classical Skt. In Old Persian/Av., the Overlord aspect of Asura is maintained in AHURA, same word.
many others : AV. dzhairi: yellow--> zard, Farsi, hari yellow, radiant, Skt. Hari, Skt.
So from Zarathustra's antagonism to all things Indo, it may be assumed that mushroom eating and the urine-centered shamanism and spirit-walking was also not uncommon.
One problem: the matter of amsu or fibres in the soma plant: elaborate measures to crush the soma, very important for the RV esoteric symbolology of Vak
gojA
rtjA
adrijA = born of the crushing stone
pavitra: the woollen strainer to strain the juice becomes synonymous with "purification" hence purity
pavamAna soma ---> pAvana, pAvaka : that which purifies
those same amsu, fibres, again become very important symbols, of rays. Anyway, that is all for another time, these are rahovidya, uhavidya.
#13
Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:25 AM
some corroborative view here http://www.iicdelhi....m...53&CatgId=1
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