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Some Thoughts On This Tour Of Ladakh / Dharamsala?


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#1 mikael

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 04:55 PM

hello,

i'm an american student currently studying abroad in Bangalore. not much time left for traveling during mid semester break coming october 1st till the 12th. was originally planning on going to Kerala but now have a big itch to go up north and see the himalayas before the roads are snowed in. it will be me and a friend.

I found this tour and I called him and am getting a price quote, its still not too late to register, i'm really curious about the opinion of you seasoned Ladakh and Dharamsala travelers. I really want to see both... for the buddhist monasteries, the beauty of the himalayas, tibetan culture, and the overall experience.

the last couple days of delhi and agra are cut out, and I will be getting an updated itinerary in the email of exact places we are going, so this is just a rough plan, but curious what you guys think. is it cramming too much into too short of a time? are any key areas missed out on? are any places listed not worth going?

also, during october how will the weather be to travel?

I will update when I receive the updated itinerary from the tour company, but I don't think too much will change

thank you,
mikael

Edited by malkers, 23 September 2008 - 05:21 PM.
Remove external link from first time post! If you have a genuine enquiry then you may paste your genuine itenerary into this thread!


#2 jyotirmoy

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 05:20 PM

Why do you need the services of a tour company?
In Dharmashala & Mcleod gunge every thing is within walking distance. How do you intend to travel from Bangalore? You can take a flight to Delhi and take overnight train to Pathankot and then bus or shared cab to Dharmashala.

#3 mikael

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 05:42 PM

i'd like a guide because I don't speak any of the local languages and i've never traveled in this area before. is a tour company not worth it?

I just got an email with updated itenerary and price quotes, i'm thinkin its pretty damn expensive. 33450 rupees per person, thats like 850$

LADAKH DHARAMSHALA TOUR



30 Sep: Delhi - Leh

Early morning take flight to Leh. This surely is one of the most sensational scheduled flights in the world, taking you right over the top of the Greater Himalaya before dropping down in a series of steep turns, to land at the small airport at Leh. You will be met on arrival and driven through Leh to check into the hotel. Leh is at an altitude of 3,500 metres (10,500 feet) and therefore we recommend that the balance of the day be spent resting to help acclimatise to the altitude.

A short walk later in the afternoon will take us to Leh's main street nestled in the shadow of the old hilltop Royal Palace and the Royal Monastery. The evening is free to relax.

Overnight: Guest House



01 Oct: Leh

Today and your Guide will show you around town. Leh is very Tibetan in many respects; the national dress, 'stove-pipe' hats and felt boots with turned-up toes are much in evidence. The Royal Palace which dominates the town is very reminiscent of the Potala in Lhasa and Tibetan Buddhist monasteries, large chortens, prayer flags and mud brick houses with flat roofs are a dramatic culture change from the hot, teeming frenetic rush of Delhi. We do not try to do too much on this first day. After visiting the palace, we browse around the bazaars.

The town, at an altitude of 3500 m (10,500 feet), is the ancient capital of Ladakh and its kings once commanded a huge civilisation stretching from Baltistan in the west, almost as far as Lhasa in Tibet. Leh is full of interest and dominated by the semi-ruined Royal Palace. The old town is a maze of narrow streets, temples and bazaars and is a great place to explore.



We will walk to the Sankar Gompa (monastery), the one nearest to Leh town and perhaps attempt to climb the steps to a small hill capped by a dazzling white Buddhist stupa. The hill offers excellent views of Leh, parts of the Indus River Valley and the imposing 6100 m (20,100 foot) high peak of Stok Kangri that overlooks Leh.

Overnight: Guest House



02 Oct: Leh - Taktak & Chemde Monastery

We drive from Leh to Taktak Monastery. This gompa is the only gompa in Ladakh of the Nyingmapa sect, the oldest Tibetan order. Return to leh after visiting the Chemde Monastery.

Overnight: Guest House



03 Oct: Indus Valley

Today we have a guided tour visiting many of the important places in the Indus Valley. This will include Shey Palace of the old Ladakh kings, Thiksey large monastery which contains a three-storey-high statue of Chamba, Buddha of the future; and Hemis, the largest monastery in Ladakh. At the latter, ask to see the temple in the rear that houses the Buddhas that have in the past 'spoken.'



SHEY PALACE

The old 'summer palace' of the kings of Ladakh was built about 550 years ago by Lhachen Palgyigon, the first king of Ladakh. It stands next to the remains of a larger construction on the east side of a hill, which runs southeast towards the Indus. From the palace you can see over the fertile Indus plain northeast to Tikse Gompa and over the Indus to the Zanskar mountain range. The old Shey palace has the largest golden Buddha statue in Ladakh in its gompa. The statue is worked out of gold and gilded copper sheets, stands 12 m (40 feet) high, and has blue hair. King Dalden Namgyal erected it in the middle of the 17th century. The most important moment in the construction of such a figure is when the eyes are painted in and the statue can 'see'. No artist or monk would dare to look the Buddha in the eye so the pupils are painted over the artist's shoulder, with his back to the idol. We continue onwards toÖ.



THIKSE GOMPA

The 500-year-old Thikse monastery, perched on a hill high above the Indus, has the largest contingent of monks in Ladakh. On the right of the entrance to the main courtyard a new chapel houses an enormous 15 m (50 foot) high-seated Buddha figure. About 100 yellow-cap monks belong to the gompa. There are prayers closer to noon, preceded by long, mournful sounds from the horns on the roof.



Our next stop is the Hemis Gompa, dramatically hidden in a cleft the mountains. Hemis has a gigantic thangka, one of the largest in the world. Hemis Gompa is the largest and one of the most important in Ladakh. It was founded about 350 years ago by Stagtshang Rinchen, who was invited to Ladakh by King Singe Namgyal, founded it about 350 years ago.

Overnight: Guest House



04 Oct: Alchi

A 70 km (44 mile) drive on the arid and high plateau will take us to Alchi, one of the largest ancient monastic complexes and an important Buddhist centre in all of Ladakh. Founded in the 11th century by Rinchen Zhangpo, one of the early Tibetan preachers who spread Lamaistic Buddhism to this part of the world, Alchi is undergoing major restoration work under UN sponsorship. The 1000-year-old paintings inside the main temple are some of the oldest of their kind and quite distinct from the murals present in the later built gompas.



On the way to Alchi we will stop to see the location where the grey waters of the Indus meet the cold blue waters of the Zanskar River flowing from the remote Zanskar region of the Greater Himalaya.

Overnight: Guest House



05 Oct: Khardung La Pass

A full day's jeep tour up the hairpins of the Nubra Valley road takes us to the Khardung La Pass (5470 m / 18,400 feet)ó the highest road accessible pass in the world. The views of the Zanskar Range and the Indus Valley on the way up are amazing as are frequent sightings of yaks on the high pastures below the pass. For most tour participants, this will perhaps the highest point that they would have travelled to in their lifetime.



The road to the pass that crosses the Ladakh Range and provides access to the Nubra Valley and the Karakoram region was built at great human and financial cost by the Indian Army following frequent incursions into the area by the Chinese Army following the occupation of Tibet in the late 1950's.

Overnight: Guest House



06 Oct:- Leh - Jammu - Mcleod Ganj

Today we fly from Leh to Jammu and continue by road to Mcleod Ganj. With the backdrop of the snow-draped Dhauladhar mountains, a sub-system of the Himalaya, the town is surrounded by woods of pine and deodar. Originally home of the seminomadic Gaddi tribe, Mcleod Ganj is today the residence of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. This mid 19th century place was developed as a British Garrison. The place was an important administrative point for the whole Kangra Valley. Today Macleod Ganj has developed as headquarters of the exiled Tibetan Government.



After arrival we visit the Dalai Lama's Palace and Tsuglakhang Buddhist Temple.

The large Tibetan population of the region and the presence of traditional architectural designs have enhanced the area. But the most important example of the Tibetan architecture is the Tsuglagkhang or the Dalai Lama's temple. The magnificent images - a gilt statue of Shakyamuni; then facing Tibet is the Tibetan deity of compassion, Avalokitesvara and that of Padmasambhava who introduced Buddhism and tantric teachings to Tibet in 8th century.



The house also has a collection of scared text called the Khagyur based on the teachings of Buddha. Also included in the temple is a collection of works on art, philosophy, literature, astrology and medicine.

Overnight: Guest House



07 Oct: Mcleod Ganj Area

We pay a morning visit to Norbulingka Institute, a registered trust functioning under the Chairmanship of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the spiritual and temporal leader of the Tibetan People, under the auspices of the Tibetan government in exile. It is dedicated to the preservation of Tibetan culture in both its literary and artistic forms. Landmarks include the Seat of Happiness Temple and the Losel Doll Museum. Facilities comprise Norling Guesthouse, Norling CafÈ, and the Norling Arts and Handcrafts Shop where the unique products of the Norbulingka artists can be purchased.



This afternoon we take a trip trips to Chinmaya Tapovan, Chamunda Mandir, and Palampur Tea Estate outside McLeod Ganj. Return to Mcleod Ganj.

Overnight: Guest House



08 Oct: Macleod Ganj Area

We have a morning visit to Kangra Fort and Temple Complex, built by BhumaChand the founder of the Katoch Dynasty. The fort is situated on a precipitous cliff overhanging the Ban Ganga and Manjhi rivers and still dominates the Kangra Valley. A saying goes, "He who holds the fort, holds the Kangra" that is why many invaders sacked it. It once used to be the seat of power of Katoch Rajas. Inaccessible cliffs surround the fort on three sides. Once it was an imposing structure of stone. In its highest part were the residences and temples of the old Katoch Kings.



We also visit Jwalaji Temple, situated on the top of the Benog Hill and has an idol of Mata Durga. The temple is surrounded by these forests and offers a panoramic view of the Himalayan peaks, Doon valley and Yamuna Valley. We also visit the busy and colourful Kotwali Bazaar. Return to McLeod Ganj.

Overnight: Guest House



09 Oct: Macleod Ganj - Overnight Train - Delhi

We have morning visits to Bhagsu Nag and Shiva Temple.

Bhagsu Nag is derived firstly by the king's name, (Raja Bhagsu), and then by the Lord's name, Nag. It is only about 11 km from Lower Dharamshala; here we find an old temple and a fresh water spring. The temple of Bhagsu is devoted to Lord Shiva.



We have the afternoon at leisure before transferring to Jammu where we board our overnight train to Delhi early this evening.

Overnight: Train



10 Oct: Arrive Delhi (End of our services)



Our price for the above itinerary for a group of 2 persons is Rs. 33450 per person



The above cost includes:

1) Guest house in Leh & Dharamshala with breakfast on double sharing basis

2) Airport transfer in Leh & Jammu

3) Complete sightseeing as per the itinerary with English speaking guide

4) Train Ticket Pathankot – New Delhi

5) Current Govt. Taxes



The above cost does not includes:

Monastery & monument entrance fees, tip, domestic airfares, travel insurance and any other expenses due to landslide, road blockage, bad weather, flight delay beyond out control



Current available Airfare (Subject to change):

Banglore – Delhi: Rs.3500 per person

Delhi – Leh: Rs. 3500 per person

Leh – Jammu: Rs.5000 per person

Edited by mikael, 23 September 2008 - 05:47 PM.


#4 dzibead

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 09:23 PM

Overpriced and unnecessary.

You could book yourself a guesthouse in Leh, fly there, and arrange a tour guide on your own with the help of your guest house once you arrive. I did that and it worked just fine and you have more flexibility to see the things you want to see. You certainly don't need a tour guide to show you around Leh itself. It's a touristy town and English is widely spoken. It's not at all hard to hire a car and driver/guide to get yourself to the outlying monasteries and other sights. You might even be able to form an informal "tour group" with other people at your guest house. You can easily see Hemis, Thiksey and Shey Palance on a day trip out of Leh, and likewise you can easily see Alchi and something like the Julichen Nunnery on another day trip out of Leh, heading in the other direction. Other day trips are similarly easy to arrange.

As for getting from Leh to McLeod Gang, you can book your own flight from Leh to Jammu and take the train from there to Pathankot and then a taxi to McLeod Ganj (about a 3 hour drive.)

Dharamsala/McLeod Ganj is even easier than Leh. In fact, I find the idea of being on a guided tour there to be somewhat ridiculous. It's even more touristy than Leh, everyone speaks English, everything you're likely to want to see is either right in the main part of McLeod Ganj or within walking distance or a short cycle rickshaw or taxi ride from it and you can go at your own pace without being stuck with a tour group and a completely unnecessary guide.
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Posted 24 September 2008 - 01:20 PM

cant talk abt leh coz i havent been there myself...

but this whole guided tour is definitely not needed for dharamshala and mcloed....english is widely spoken in this area and u can hire a taxi/ autorickshaw for the whole day and ask him to take you to the various destinations, worked out perfectly for us.

#6 kullukid

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 06:35 PM

View Postmikael, on Sep 23 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

i'd like a guide because I don't speak any of the local languages and i've never traveled in this area before. is a tour company not worth it?

You've found your guides HERE! for free, so why pay anyone?? Language is not a problem!
This is not the best time to visit Leh, most tourists have left by the end of September & most of the shops will have closed down. Even if you still want to go then that itinerary is not good, 1 day is not enough to acclimatise, it took me 3 days & even then i still felt weak & dizzy when walking up hill or climbing steps (which there are lot's of in Leh).

Since you are interested in Buddhism a better option would be to get to Delhi, where you can then take a flight to D'sala (GAGGAL airport) spend about 5 days in Mcleod Ganj (Home of Dalai Lama) Then from D'sala take a bus or taxi to Mandi Then take a bus straight to Rewalsar Lake, where you can stay in Buddhist monasteries (1hour from Mandi) spend 2nts & 2.5 days in Rewalsar & make sure you do the 8Rs bus ride up the hill (30-45mins) to see Padmasambhava's caves then head back to Mandi the following afternoon & have half a day looking around the Temples river etc. Mandi's definitely worth a stopover IMHO & a stroll along the river to see the many old Temples (There are over 100 in Mandi)I Like to stay at the Olde Worlde Raj Mahal run by & previously the Palace/home of the royal family of Mandi; http://www.rajmahalp....com/index.html Here's my photo's of Rewalsar, the ones with all the prayer flags on the trees & rock's are taken at Padmasambhava's cave where you will find some wonderful views of Himalayan peaks. http://picasaweb.goo...ey=1uCtozrD8Ok#

Next day take the early morning bus to Shimla . Spend 2 nights in Shimla then take the toy train to Kalka where it meets a larger train back to Delhi. ;) KK