[kullukid]

Farhana, on Sep 21 2009, 11:46 AM, said:

A woman who sits in quiet anonymity who sometimes meets with people over a weekend.  
I really love the fact that its so low key actually.

I'm vereee pleeezed for you Farhana, sounds like you've had a wonderful experience. It's great when you genuinely feel Presence.
However I'm a little puzzled why you feel the need to talk about it on public forums. You've already made several very similar posts about it on another site & now you are publicly revealing the email add (which is not recommended) of
"A woman who sits in quiet anonymity " Are you sure you are not Her manager or something?????   
Om Shanti! KK

[Farhana]

Kullukid.

The experience that I've had, I've been searching for for a long long time.  It didn't just happen like that.  *click*  I've probably gone through most of what is available out there today.  

What I have recently gone through with this woman (who is currently anonymous, and is low key....)  I feel a need to acknowledge.  To me... if one doesn't acknowledge the source from which one receives... it is taking.  And 'forums' have inspired me to express the acknowledgment.  One day, it maybe through writing a book or making a movie.

So, I will be posting on forums where I feel there is a possibility for others who read the forum to be interested and experience transformation the way I have.
I will be around to answer questions, not about personal transformations because I am not a Teacher.  I can answer questions for seekers wanting to attend PRESENCE and would like to find out more.  

I did battle with myself for sometime, because I didn't want to tell others about what I had discovered.  I had even 'blocked' a friend from coming because the power that one receives is immense and sharing it isn't always easy.  So, the thought of so many people coming didn't really appeal to me.  BUT.  It isn't the correct thing.  And how can I resist an inevitability?  People through time have come to hear of Maharishikas, Gurus, Masters, Teachers, Guides.. through word of mouth and through books.  

I feel to tell others of what has transformed me and given me the experience of 'myself', is my "seva" for what I have received.  "Seva" meaning something like service.  This is a way for me to give back, if that is even possible.

And finally Kullukid.  I am not a manager in any capacity.  I'm a film producer by profession.  I had given the email address directly of the organizers so people can interact directly as well.  I am just not able to reply to people fast enough from the other forums.

In sincerity,
Farhana.

[kullukid]

Hi Farhana, it wasn't meant to be a criticism. I understand what you are talking about & also your differing feelings of whether to keep it a secret or shout it from the rooftops. If Mataji is what you say, which I'm not questioning then She will draw the people that need to be in Her Presence towards Her automatically without the help of any outside agencies.
Speaking from my own experiences, the urge to tell others usually weakens/lessens the powerful experience you've had, over time. Once again, this isn't really the place to talk about it, however I DO respect what you are talking about & understand your urge to "Spread the Word". If you feel you want to discuss this further feel free to PM me.

Om Shanthi Shanthi Shanthi Om! KK

[kavindra]

To respond to the original post, I will share a perspective of someone who was born and grew up in India but has then spent more than that much time outside of India.

Growing up in lower middle class in India, that's all I knew. And, it was always a supporting environment - and I fell in love as much as I grew into it   Having said that, this love is hardly a static thing - as no love is. But, it is not quite so unconditional any more; I do not defend India without looking at the right and wrong of it anymore - something I might have done earlier.

A lot of people mention religion. I was intellectually starting to disassociate myself from religion before leaving India - and completed that process after I moved away. Being able to be reach my own intellectual decision in late teens (while part of a religious family) speaks to the strength. On the other side, I have grown to have less and less patience with a lot that goes on in the name of increasingly commercialized religion in India.

There is something about core Indian value system, the sense of right and wrong that I learned as a child - from stuff like Kabir das, Premchand, panch tantra, Gita, sufi thought and literature- that I really cherish. To me, some of that is the essence of what Indian culture has to offer and I have come to value that really invaluable gift. It is what it core aspect of Indian culture at its best. The other side I mention here is that I have seen the same culture I value so much being swept away (perhaps for good) in the more recent years. I hope tomorrows India will be more resilient enough to rediscover that, but not confident.

And, I just love the people. I find the ordinary, often poor, working people struggling to make a living and yet combining a lot of wisdom in them, if anyone cared to engage with them. I guess I am inclined to be sympathetic to this class world over, but I identify with them as the 'people' I come from.  I am less enamored with the politicians who appeal to the religious difference to get elected, and polarization they have produced. [I guess it isn't unique about India, but this is a land where coexistence was practiced for long. Perhaps that is just my idealized fantasy.]

I love India and Indians for valuing the investment in education. I love the sight of children - rich and poor - headed to school in earnest. The other side I see that the education system is producing a lot of 'educated' but few enlightened.

I love it for my family I associate it with.

Edited by kavindra, 27 September 2009 - 12:12 PM.

[Farhana]

Kullukid,

I think it's important to respond on two points.  

Firstly, to speak about one's experience doesn't take away from the experience in anyway.  It actually makes it more concrete by being able to clearly formulate the experience.  It no longer remains an indescribable, vague, dreamy and distant sort of experience.  It also doesn't weaken anything.  Because when something is written, something is written.  How many people read it afterwards is a separate thing from the very act of writing.  Me writing this reply right now is an experience in itself, separate from you reading the reply.  So it's about writing an experience in a forum.  The "Spreading the Word" becomes a separate thing.  Actually the point was to be able to formulate and write about an experience first.

Interesting you picked up on the words need and urge.  No after a while, it's no longer a need, or an urge.  It simply becomes something to be done.

Secondly, I'm curious to know why you are asking me the intent behind the writings?  Why are you curious to know?  The questioning I feel is based on an idealistic notion that people are attracted to the Truth?  That is not always the case.  At the same time, you are saying that we should all have our individual experiences and be quiet about it.  Not tell anyone.  Keep it to ourselves.  

No.  I disagree with that.  People have done this around me in the past.  It did not contribute in anyway to helping me move out of the suffering I was going through.  If those few had in fact spoken about their experiences, the way I am doing now, I would have been closer to the Truth sooner.  In fact this thing I am doing is not for Her Grace.  You are right.  Who will come will come.  That's the way it really is.  

The writings, the information actually will benefit those who are still looking and seeking.  And from the response I am receiving, it makes every moment worthwhile.  To see it work for another person.    

Honestly at some stage when one reaches the ability to live with less suffering to such an extent, why would a Teacher, a Guide, A Maharishika go looking for students?  It's misery if you ask me to actually have to be responsible for the growth of another human being.  It is really an act of compassion of the highest order that a Being take responsibility for the growth of another.  

Kavindra - I love the post.  

[kullukid]

Farhana, on Sep 27 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Firstly, to speak about one's experience doesn't take away from the experience in anyway.  

No.  I disagree with that.

We'll have to agree to disagree then!!

Mouna! KK

[porcupine]

its differences and contradictories, its silent and powerful strength and wisdom... and also because I feel at home and welcome...

[Frankmoc]

Taj Mahal is the most beautiful place in India and its the only reason to fall in love with

[noflylist]

Frankmoc, on Oct 9 2009, 06:30 AM, said:

Taj Mahal is the most beautiful place in India and its the only reason to fall in love with

Tragic!