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#1 joegardham_york_uk

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 07:36 PM

Hi All,

First time to India, and after landing and spending a couple of days (maybe a week) in Mumbai, I'd like to travel to either Bangalore or Delhi (total opposites I know - I'm going with an open mind :) )

Train would be my preferred option, but having looked at the Indian Railways website, they seem to imply you need to be booking journeys months in advance.

I don't know where I want to go when I get to India, let alone what exact day I want to travel.

Is there anyway of booking last minute travel, ie maybe two/three days in advance?

If not, does anybody have any tips for spontaneous budget travel around India?

Thanks, Joe

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 07:52 PM

Trains are indeed booked up well in advance, 60 days before the journey they open the bookings, I went to get a fare from Bangalore to Delhi 59 days in advance and got waitlisted so I cancelled and flew instead.

The other problem with trains is delays and the actual time taken to travel short distances, this takes out a lot of your holiday, if you check out all the various new airlines you can find you can travel almost as cheap by air these days, sometimes cheaper if you catch a good deal!

You can also travel short distances in buses of course at a real budget cost!

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#3 Sudheer Poppa

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:03 PM

There is a tourist quota in some sectors which you can book in while travelling as a tourist. Other option is ofcourse the inter city buses.. whose quality would not be as great but for sure a fair way to commute.

Ideally private bus operators would be more comfortably but not all can be very reliable. The rule of the thumb would be to first check out the public transport, expesially the deluxe or super deluxe ones and then check out the private busses.
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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:11 PM

Hello and welcome to a fellow yorkie!  :)

It's true that with some trains you need to book far in advance, but a couple of days' notice is fine for others.  The trick is knowing which is which :D  - (not that I'm in a position to tell you, I'm afraid :) ).  As you are obviously familiar with the Indian railways website, you will have worked out by now that rail travel there is much, much (much!) cheaper than here in the UK, and that you will probably have a much better chance of short-notice travel the higher class of travel you opt for.   There are also different 'quotas', so if you can't get on the Tourist Quota you can always try the general quota.

We changed our plans and brought forward travel from Kolkata to Delhi by one day with absolutely no problem, and booke from Delhi to Mumbai only three days before we travelled.  That said, you could also be unlucky .......  :( I suspect the actual time of year when you are travelling might have much to do with it).

If you are short of time, then, like Malkers says, you could consider flying ..... but in my opinion you would then miss out on the great experience of the Indian train.    Try be a bit more specific about when you are intending to travel i.e. what month etc. and I am sure we will be able to come up with some more conclusive answers for you :)
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#5 joegardham_york_uk

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:21 PM

View Postsudheer, on Sep 13 2006, 03:33 PM, said:

There is a tourist quota in some sectors which you can book in while travelling as a tourist. Other option is ofcourse the inter city buses.. whose quality would not be as great but for sure a fair way to commute.

Ideally private bus operators would be more comfortably but not all can be very reliable. The rule of the thumb would be to first check out the public transport, expesially the deluxe or super deluxe ones and then check out the private busses.

Thanks for the advice.

I want to be as spontaneous as possible, but realise this may not always be an option.

Do buses get booked up far in advance?

Thanks for your help,

Joe

Hi Judi,

I plan to take a BA flight to Mumbai on 30th Dec.

The project I currently work on finishes on the 29th Dec, so I am effectively unemployed and free to stay as long as my visa permits.

I intend on staying for a month - roughly splitting my time up between Mumbai, Bangalore, Kerala and Goa.

I quite fancied flying to Delhi and working my way down the west coast, but think I'll save the North for another trip.

I definitely want to take public transport to experience it and see more of the land, but desperately want to keep some spontaneity and pretty much go where I feel when I wake up!

Looking out of my office window onto Micklegate - I can't wait to get to India!!!

Joe

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:27 PM

I would do it as Mumbai to Goa, overnight sleeper bus.. can book a day in advance or even the same day if not weekend.

Goa to Bangalore - kingfisher or Deccan - if they have flights.. You can also get a 15 hour night bus option in which case I would advice taking a Volvo bus idealy a sleeper.

Bangalore to Kochi is again a frequent private bus route, with operators like KPN, Shama, Conti, and so on.. Quite professional ones..

Kerala you can explore in public transport and fly back to Mumbai in kingfisher or deccan or even the midnight Air India midnight flights which are really cheap.
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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:30 PM

Busses you can usually book the same day and often just before you step on them but again it depends what you want (luxury or mosquitos) and how popular the particular route.  The best way to do these things is to let the system teach you itself and be prepared to alter your plans by the odd day here and there, even when you are experienced these simple tasks can be hopelessly impossible!

Another question I'm wondering is why the hell you want to visit Bangalore as a tourist but maybe I've been here too long!
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#8 joegardham_york_uk

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:31 PM

View Postmalkers, on Sep 13 2006, 03:57 PM, said:

Busses you can usually book the same day and often just before you step on them but again it depends what you want (luxury or mosquitos) and how popular the particular route.  The best way to do these things is to let the system teach you itself and be prepared to alter your plans by the odd day here and there, even when you are experienced these simple tasks can be hopelessly impossible!

Thanks for that Malkers,

Good to hear experienced people find it a bit confusing to.

First time travelling on my own so a bit nervous, but unbelieveably excited at the same time!!!

Cheers, Joe

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:33 PM

View Postjoegardham_york_uk, on Sep 13 2006, 03:51 PM, said:

Looking out of my office window onto Micklegate - I can't wait to get to India!!!

Joe

And some of us would be quite happy to be in Micklegate right now!!  :)

Sorry, I can't help you with the South, although there are plenty of people on here who can, so just sit back and wait awhile until the advice comes rolling in!   Train tickets, however, can always be changed or cancelled, with very little hassle (and, if you do it several days in advance, with no penalties either), so it might be a good idea to at least book your one big train trip, which you can then alter when you get there to suit you.  If you can be a bit flexible with dates when you change it, then so much the better.

We travel at that time of year, too.  In fact, the first time I went we also flew into Mumbai on 30th December.  It is certainly a busy time, with many expat Indians returning home for the holidays, but we didn't encounter any problems with train bookings and alterations, although as I said before, this was in the North.

Dr Funkenstein is in Kerala at the moment, so if you send him a pm he might be able to give you some specific travel information.

btw:  have you been on the York Eye?  I saw it for the first time when I was at the Knavesmire on Friday.  It looked gorgeous - is it worth a trip, do you think?
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#10 joegardham_york_uk

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:37 PM

Thanks for the tip, I'll look up the doctor and PM him.

No not been on York Eye yet. It's been ridiculously busy with the summer hols. I think I'll have to pinch my nephew for the day and use him as an excuse for wanting to go on it!!  :)

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:59 PM

View PostJudi, on Sep 13 2006, 04:03 PM, said:

And some of us would be quite happy to be in Micklegate right now!!  :)

Well, I've heard it's a bit of a shambles!  :D

Hey Joe, another Yorkie here (Leeds). I've never booked more than a day in advance & i've always managed to get a seat, but I tend to travel 2nd class nonA/C with the locals, lot more fun than the upper classes where you could easily imagine you were a commuter on the 7.30am Leeds to York providing you didn't look out of the window!  BORING!   KK

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 09:17 PM

Mmmmm ........ I feel another Yorkshire Meet Up coming on ........  :)
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Posted 13 September 2006 - 10:00 PM

The truth is, there is no science to train availibilty!! Some trains such as those which travel on the Konkan Railway line, book up quiet fast when reservations begin, i.e. 60 days in advance. This means that trains can be booked weeks in advance, though it is seldom that all classes on a train will  be booked from the day of reservation,even on the Konkan Railway ( west coast line) you can usually get some kind of berth with 4-5 day notice.
ALSO AROUND MAJOR FESTIVALS, THERE CAN BE LACK OF AVAILABLE BERTHS, SO BE AWARE!!

The higher the class of travel the quicker they book up. The reason for this is quite simple, there are far fewer berths in 1st AC 2, tier AC and 3 tier AC 1st AC will have around twelve berths only, 2 AC will have two coaches, 3 AC three coaches ( There is some variation in this but the numbers quoted are a good rule of thumb)

Compared to 10-12 coaches of ordinary second class sleeper coacher or more. So you can see how you chances increase as you go down the classes. Of course on some trains like the Rajdhani Express you will only have 1st AC, AC 2 tier AC 3 tier so the chances of scoring a AC berth are better though more expensive.

Generally speaking book as far up front as you can if you want to make certain places at certain times but if your happy to be not to be shackled by concrete itineraries, then just book as you go, usually you'll find a berth reservation two or three days upfront, for long distance trains (12 hours+) book as far up front as you can, these tend to book up faster

There are a few tricks you can employ to get that elusive seat/berth one has already been mentioned : The Tourist Quota. Some trains though not all have a few berths especially laid aside for foriegn tourists, these don't cost anything extra and can sometimes get you on a train that was to all intents and purposes "full"
At main stations there are special offices or ticket windows where you can buy these tickets, you will need your passport for this!!

For short journeys of 4-5 hours, I do this, buy an "general class" ticket, this class is not reservable and the ticket allows you onto get on the train allbeit in "cattle class" No need to stay there though (unless you like it of course) simply find an empty seat in second class (there are nearly alway empty seats awaiting passengers getting on at stations up the line) wait for the ticket inspector and ask him to upgrade you to second class or AC class if there's an empty seat, don't enter AC with your "general class" ticket its not allowed ask the ticket inspector and he will tell you if there are any vacant seats in AC.
On special trains like The Shatabdi/Rajdhani expresses this is not allowed!!

This is only good for short day journeys trying this on a night train when you need a berth is a BAD idea!!!!!!


Lastly there's the Taktal Quota, this quota is held back until three days before departure of the train!! This will sometimes get you on a "full" train as well but it's very expensive, as you have to pay for the whole route the train travels!! So say the Train is going from Mumbai to Trivandrum (kerala) and you want to go to Goa, you will be required to pay for the whole journey, not just to Goa. So an expensive way to travel but in a emergency........................

I've travelled for years "on the fly" and usually found some way to leave, within a few days, these days I book two or three tickes up front knowing I can always cash them in if I get stuck somewhere as I usually do (record 6 cancelled tickets from  Ajmer to Udaipur :D  :) ) Even upto 6 hours before departure you get some money back!

Just try to think ahead a little, that makes life all the easier!!

So no all your trains won't be booked out months ahead but booked trains may well throw you a curveball somewhere along the line!!

Ok so now I've totally confused you............right!!

Enjoy your holiday and don't stress, you always get to where you want to go in India it just takes a while sometimes!

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 01:49 PM

Hey Cyberhippie,

Great reply, thanks very much. I was confused the first three times of reading your post, now it's starting to kick in! hehe  :)

Joe