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#1 jyoti

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 08:58 PM

Ok, so some ppl apparently aren't considered gourmet treats by mosquitoes. But, I (unfortunately) am apparently quite in demand and considered a delicacy among delicacies. :D

So, here's the problem: I am going to be in India for two years to start out with. I can't bring myself to use DEET for two years. That's just scary. :D I am going to try some other bug repellents (Burt's Bees made of natural oils, etc.) but still hate to have to use it every day for months. Is there anything else I can do to keep from being bitten? Something I can take or eat to make my blood less tasty?

Am I being overly paranoid? When I was in Haiti, at one point I had over 70 mosquito bites (Yes! Seventy!) on my legs and arms. :D That was after 2 weeks, with mosquito coils all night. So even in non-height-of-mosquito season, I will be tracked down by every miserable mosquito known to mankind and eaten alive. Giving me about 2 months a year, I figure, that I won't have to be doused in pesticides. :ninja:

Any ideas? My Dad suggested that you can wash your clothes in the other mosquito repellent (the one that's not Deet) with no harmful effects. I'm not sure how to explain this to a Dhobi-wallah, though, nor of the effects of several months of this.

Help!

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 09:40 PM

That would be permethrin.

Never tried it, although it sounds like a good idea.

Indian-made Odomos works quite well for me, and yes, mossies love me. It is cheap too: I am astonished at the prices of mossie repellent in London, especially those little bottles of high-concentration DEET that the outdoor/adventure shops sell.

All the eating stuff I've ever been advised works (like garlic, and one of the B vitamins), for me ...doesn't.

After 18 months (nothing stops all the bites, and you'll never remember the lotion all the time. Like the first bite of the evening tends to jog the memory!) I'm beginning not to react so much to the bites. My wife hardly notices them. But there are still some nights when I need a take an anti-hystamine (drowsy version) to overcome the ant- and mossie-induced itches and pains :D

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 09:53 PM

View PostH.Nick, on Jul 20 2006, 09:40 PM, said:

But there are still some nights when I need a take an anti-hystamine (drowsy version) to overcome the ant- and mossie-induced itches and pains :D
umm...does it mean that you get red blotches all over your body at the slightest bite(OK, wrong word slightest), for you to take anti-histamines. I thought those were for bee stings and the like and more so for allergic reaction to the stings.

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 10:50 PM

Citronella seemed to do the trick for me, as well as Odomos.

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 12:04 AM

Well, I got the Burt's Bees which is lemongrass and eucalyptus. I'll get some Odomos when I get to India and try that.

I eat lots of garlic, too, and it doesn't do anything. I've also heard of taking B vitamins, but I'm incredulous...

In Haiti, we just doused them with hydrogen peroxide. It at least stopped the itching. Of course, as soon as you sweat, they start up again.

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 08:09 AM

View Postdigital drifter, on Jul 20 2006, 11:23 AM, said:

umm...does it mean that you get red blotches all over your body at the slightest bite(OK, wrong word slightest), for you to take anti-histamines. I thought those were for bee stings and the like and more so for allergic reaction to the stings.

An antihistamine will not keep the bug from biting, but it WILL prevent the associated itching & swelling. If such prevention is your goal, the med of choice, in my opinion, is doxepin 10mg -- which is THE most potent H2 histamine receptor blocker known to man. [Yes, it was originally licensed in the 1950s as an antidepressant -- but at normal antidepressant doses -- around 100mg -- it was too sedating for about 50% of patients.] At the child-size dose of 10mg at bedtime, doxepin is fantastic for itches, rashes, allergic asthma, and virtually any gastrointestinal disturbance (it soothes the entire GI tract).

If you happen to be looking when a bug bites you, you will see the beginning of a red swelling at the site of the bite and then, right before your eyes, you will see the red swelling disappear -- as the doxepin in your system instantly neutralizes the provoked histamine reaction. In the US doxepin is a generic prescription item. [Apparently in India, for some fanciful reason, doxepin is named "Spectra".] I do NOT recommend the cream version.

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 09:44 AM

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one of the B vitamins

I've taken B-1 and found it gave me a yeast infection -- which went away when I stopped the B-1. Oh, and the mossies kept biting me. So much for that myth!
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 10:30 AM

One thing I find useful, not to stop the bites but to take away the itch if you do get bitten is Tiger Balm. So at least if you get bitten you wont scratch it to pieces!

And the small pots are also also nicely handbag sized!

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 10:44 AM

for small skin irritations, rather than take an anti-histamine, I carry a cream that I get from my chemist that soothes skin irritations. I believe it is a very low dosage cortisone cream and it works wonders on bites, stings, hives etc etc.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 11:02 AM

View Postiwanttogoback, on Jul 21 2006, 12:14 AM, said:

for small skin irritations, rather than take an anti-histamine, I carry a cream that I get from my chemist that soothes skin irritations. I believe it is a very low dosage cortisone cream and it works wonders on bites, stings, hives etc etc.

Cortisone creams are fine IF (1) you don't use the cream repeatedly on the same area or in skin folds (as it can cause a thinning of the skin -- making it more fragile), and (2) if you don't use it in much quantity, eg, over a large area or over extended time (as it can cause adrenal suppression).

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 11:57 AM

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Cortisone creams are fine IF (1) you don't use the cream repeatedly on the same area or in skin folds (as it can cause a thinning of the skin -- making it more fragile), and (2) if you don't use it in much quantity, eg, over a large area or over extended time (as it can cause adrenal suppression).


exactly. so far i've never had a bite or whatever that's needed more than a day or so of treatment.
but yes, it's important to read the instructions and follow them. thanks for pointing that out.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 05:01 PM

I have a 1% cortisone cream, and I find it very good for ant bites, whereas an antihystemine cream is better for mossie bites. I do worry about using the cortisone cream too much, especially as they tend to bite in the same places eg where they get trapped in a fold of skin.

Sometimes I just use Lanacane which is a soothing local anaesthetic cream. Works well to soothe.

A dab of tincture of Iodine (available in Indian pharmacy, Rs8) helps on the mossie bites --- probably just because it is antiseptic, and mossie bites include all sorts of crap (early washing with soap and water helps).

I've got two gadgets. One, a very expensive thing that applies heat, I don't think too highly of (can easily replace the bite with a blister!). The other, the Zanzi-Click has a piezo crystal and gives a small electric shock across the bite. It is at least as good as scratching, and without the skin breaking, infection spreading side effects of biting.

Oh, and another one: the Aspivenin. A kind of reverse syringe that sucks poison out of the bite.

70s-80s, thanks for the Spectra tip. What have you got against the cream? is it just that it doesn't work? I have not been able to find an antihystamine/soothing cream here. Once you have so many bites, applying cream to each one just doesn't work: you need systemic anit-hystamine. Thankfully this is now rare for me...

Bythe way... I guess ants are less of a nuisance to travellers than to those of us who live here, where keeping them out of food and not leaving stuff out that will attract them is part of every day life! You don't see so many in hotels and guest houses. But leave out some chocolate or some biscuits in your room and they will, as if by magic, appear!

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 10:31 PM

The cream I use has the active ingredient Crotamiton - haven't a clue what that is, but it works for me. It's sold in the UK as Eurax (grotty name you marketing guys)

We also find that citronella candles (you can get bags of little "tea-light" ones) keep the little blighters away.

NB. When you've been caught in a cloud of Scottish midgies, the mossies don't seem so bad :D apart from that dreadful buzzing around your ears at night. :P

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 11:25 PM

A so-so article on malarial treatment; she said, he said variety likely to leave you even more confused as to whether to take the pills or not.

http://travel.indepe...icle1165581.ece

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Posted 22 July 2006 - 12:56 AM

I regret that the buzzing of a mossie, unless within a couple of inches of my ears is outside my diminishing hearing range :)

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Posted 22 July 2006 - 03:04 AM

Hmm... anything that shouldn't be applied over a wide area might be a bad plan unless it's off-season for the little buggers. Maybe I should just fashion a sari out of a mosquito net... :)

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Posted 22 July 2006 - 10:39 AM

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A so-so article on malarial treatment; she said, he said variety likely to leave you even more confused as to whether to take the pills or not.

http://travel.indepe...icle1165581.ece

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...says Pietro Addis, a specialist on India for Cazenove+Loyd. "Where most people generally travel, such as Rajasthan in dry season, you hardly ever see a mosquito."
really? and how about the whole of Southern India including Kerala and Goa coastal areas?

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"I've never heard of anybody who has caught malaria on the sub-continent," says Paul Goldstein, of the adventure travel agency Exodus.
I guess he must be the monkey with his hands over his ears!

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Jason Gibbs, a pharmacist for the London-based adventure travel supplier Nomad, says: "There are areas of India where malaria prophylaxis is definitely still needed,
Thank goodness! A tavel agent who seems to know what they are talking about.

"TropMedEurop's advice testifies to the success of campaigns in the sub-continent aimed at eliminating mosquitoes." (should be n a quote box, but it seems to one quote too many for the software!)
eliminating? Where? Not here, that's for sure :) .

Yep, an article that left me with plenty of cynicism, even though its balance seems to be against this TropMedEurop study.

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Posted 22 July 2006 - 11:00 AM

sort of off topic, but there was an interesting doco here about a university of queensland boffin who has been working on a malaria vaccine for 20 years, and believes that it will be available in the next year or two. good news for those who live and travel in malaria prone areas. particularly those who live there and could not afford the medication for treatment.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 04:27 PM

Apparently, researchers have isolated the natural repellent which is found in people who are not bitten by mosquitos. So, there is a hope that bites, in the not so distant future, will be preventable:

Scientists have identified insect repelling chemicals produced by people who don't get bitten by mosquitoes and will be revealing how they made their discovery at the Royal Society Summer Science Exhibition which opens today (3 July 2006).

The teams at Rothamsted Research and Aberdeen University, who previously answered the long running question of why some people get bitten and others don't, have now isolated chemicals present in the body odour of people who naturally repel insects and have filed patents.

"Those of us who don't get bitten by mosquitoes produce unattractive chemicals, which mask their otherwise attractive odours", said research leader, Professor John Pickett. "Humans produce hundreds of different chemicals so it has been challenging to identify the particular chemicals that mosquitoes respond to".

The scientists used a technique known as gas chromatography-electroantennography' to identify which components of the odour the insect can detect.

"Gas chromatography allows us to separate out the eau de human' into its individual chemical components. The electroantennography then allows us to simultaneously record the responses in the mosquito's antennae." Said Dr James Logan, who is working with Professor Pickett at Rothamsted.

The team are hopeful that their detailed research findings, which have been submitted for publication in a leading scientific journal, may lead to the development of effective natural' insect repellents and may also result in new control methods for biting pests responsible for livestock losses and the spread of human illnesses, such as malaria, dengue fever and yellow fever in developing countries. Until the results have been published, the team cannot reveal the details of specific chemical compounds.

The researchers are now carrying out trials to test their effectiveness in preventing mosquito bites.

Professor Pickett added: "We are currently testing the natural compounds by comparing them with World Health Organisation approved insect repellents on individuals known to be attractive to mosquitoes we hope to publish the results of these trials soon."

Visitors to the Summer Science Exhibition can test their 'attractiveness' to mosquitoes, without the risk of getting bitten, using another piece of Rothamsted kit, an olfactometer'. Volunteers are invited to place their hand in one chamber and mosquitoes are exposed to a choice of two airstreams, one of which is laced with odour from the volunteer's hand. The mosquito's behaviour in response to the smell can then be observed to determine if a volunteer is attractive' or repellent' to mosquitoes.

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Posted 23 July 2006 - 05:30 PM

the previous post jogged my memory about Malaria,sickle cell et al. Carl Zimmer is a science writer who sometimes contributes to NYT and other popular journals.

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Now a new study offers evidence of yet another mixed blessing: one defense against malaria may make people prone to alcoholism.
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Why would malaria favor a weaker sense of bitterness? One possibility is that beta-glucopyranosides can fight the parasite that causes the disease. Cyanide isn't just bad for people, but for Plasmodium as well.

and more.

If it all interests you, go on & read the article. Imagine the scientific name dropping you can do and turn off even your pet cats and dogs away from you? Isn't that exciting?

http://www.corante.com/loom/archives/2005/..._the_bottle.php